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March 4-8, 2000

Name: M.R. Brune
E-mail address: stillness49@yahoo.com
Comments: Those wishing to return Elian to Cuba do not know that his father has diminished parental rights because the role of father has been taken over by the miserable tyrant that controls Cuba. Read what the Cuban state says about the education of children, read their Constitution! Cuba is the biggest mind control factory of the Western hemisphere. What about the rights of children to be free from that suffocating system? Reject the silly macho, Roman concept of parenthood that the courts of this country have done it. Parental rights are not absolute and must be subordinated to the well being of the child. Besides, I understand that his father has expressed the desire to abandon the island
Saturday March 4th 2000 04:44:11
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Name: Keith Valenza
E-mail address: kvalenza@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://elian.8k.com
Comments: Someone named Alfredo of Argentina posted three long-winded articles disputing much of what has been written here. I removed those posts, not because I disagreed with them, but because he refused to give a valid email address. Without a valid email address, regardless of your point of view on this issue, your post will be removed. I have no respect for cowardice, and if this person is too cowardly to be willing to debate the issue honestly, his posts are not welcome on this board. There are two points that need to be raised about his posts. First of all, unless he has talked to a Cuban PERSONALLY (as I have done) and learned first hand about the horrors they went through in Cuba, he has no room to criticize them. Secondly, he claimed that that the grandmas fondling of Elian was culturally acceptable in Cuba. And I have some swamp land here in Florida to sell him if he believes that. Fondling of private parts is not acceptable in ANY civilized culture, and if it IS acceptable anywhere, that society has no values or mores, or at least their mores have totally deteriorated. Finally, Alfred, whatever your point of view is--pro Castro or anti-Castro--I challenge you to live in Cuba for ONE year under the conditions those poor people are living in, and THEN espouse the opinions you have been espousing. At that point they might have some credibility.
Saturday March 4th 2000 02:03:44
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Name: Jorge Vazquez
E-mail address: jorgev@earthlink.net
Homepage URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~jorgev/
Comments: Dear Elian, May God bless you with the freedom you so richly deserve. I too came from Cuba and there is no substitute for that freedom. May God also ease your pain and grief over the lost of your mother and give your countless blessings in your new adopted homeland.
Monday March 6th 2000 07:25:51
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Name: Robert Giczey
E-mail address: lopez@lance.net
Comments: Keith. In response to your above post, you claim that you "learned first hand about the horrors " in Cuba. If you have never been to Cuba and learned about the 'horrors' from talking with people, then all you've learned becomes SECOND HAND information. I only bring this up because in the same paragraph you state that to you would only give Alfred's opinion 'credibility' once he "live(s) in Cuba for ONE year under the conditions those poor people are living in." Why do the same standards not apply to you? Please tell me about YOUR FIRST HAND Cuban experience. I might give your opinions some credibility. Furthermore, You don't hesitate to talk about the inappropriate actions of Elians grandmother but in your heart filled concern for Elian you neglect to make mention of the multiple Drunk Driving convictions of Lazaro and Delfin or the felony charges of Elian's Miami cousins or the wisedom of putting 21yr old Mariselysis in a motherly role when it's clear she is on the verge of a mental breakdown. Lastly, Why did you use the word 'fondle' to describe the grandmother's actions? There is a difference between pulling down a boys fly and fondling his genitals.
Monday March 6th 2000 09:13:39
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Name: Keith
E-mail address: kvalenza@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://elian.8k.com
Comments: It is Monday, Giczey's day off and once again this Canadian America-hater has nothing better to do with his time than to post his hateful diatribes and his rantings against the United States, one of which I deleted because it was inappropriate here. He loves to grasp at straws with his "fondling versus unzipping" remark. Get a life, Mr. Giczey. You wouldn't want that done to your son and you know it. So stop avoiding the real issue. And you know darned well that if YOU did what the grandmother did to any child in this country, and got caught, you would be ARRESTED and charged with a crime. As for the rest of your arguments, we have better things to do here than waste our time with the way you continue to nitpick, find fault with America, (which, with all its faults is a far more comfortable place to live in than Cuba or even your beloved Canada for that matter)...as well as the manner in which you refuse to believe truth when it hits you in the face. I may not have lived in Cuba, but there have been numerous FIRST-HAND experiences by Cuban refugees posted on this board. Yet despite their eyewitness first-hand accounts, you refuse to accept them as evidence. No doubt you think they are lying. However, you know in your heart what is right and what is wrong, and truth from lies. No amount of rationalizing and nitpicking will change what is right and wrong. Your only purpose on this board is not to defend a father's "rights" (and fathers have no rights in Cuba...study their constitution..the STATE has all the rights there). Your purpose here is to find fault and to argue, plain and simple. You have no desire to learn what is really going on in Cuba, for if you did, there is a possibility that you might be wrong. As long as you defend fondling by the boy's grandmother (call a spade a spade...it WAS FONDLING!) and as long as you defend an evil murderer like Fidel Castro (you have never uttered the first word of criticism of him or any of his atrocities, which you obviously deny), your actions on this board speak volumes about your lack of character. To this day I will never understand why, in your eyes, Cubans who escape their prison to come to America are considered by you to be "dirty Miami Cubans," (your exact words) but a grandmother who fondles her grandson is considered perfectly acceptable. The more you avoid the truth, and the more you nitpick, the more your words will reveal what kind of person you really are. God help us all if all Canadians or Americans think that what the grandmother did was perfectly acceptable. And may God forgive us all if we turn our heads in the other direction while Castro continues to ruin human lives and murder his own people.
Tuesday March 7th 2000 04:18:08
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Name: RobH
E-mail address: robar@bigfoot.com
Comments: Elian's mother risked his life to travel to Florida...specifically southern Florida...where a Federal law enforcement offical recently suggested he would not travel, nor encourage anyone to travel to....Elian's father, his only living parent, for whatever reason, remains in Cuba. Legally, there is no argument, but that this child should remain with his father. If the U.S. Courts support Elian staying in the U.S., that will set an interesting precident if a Florida child ever finds his way to Canada against the father's wishes..were there such a custody battle over the Canadian/U.S. Border, one could give the opinion that a child's welfare would be endangered by returning that child to the U.S. .. and statistics would prove this right, having regard to infant mortality tables for economically challenged minorities (ie; Cuban-Americans), violent crime rates (especially in southern Florida, lack of adequate medical care, lack of access to post-secondary education..the list could go on. So, if there are any unhappy parents in Florida who would like to abduct their children...wait until Elian is finally ordered to remain in the U.S., abduct the child to Canada, and rely on the precident set to justify your actions on the basis that only a cruel and heartless world could possibly order a child to return to such a godforsaken land as the United States of America.
Tuesday March 7th 2000 02:56:54
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Name: emily
E-mail address: luvlyem22@hotmail.com
Comments: i think that Elian should be able to stay here to live a free and happy life in America. It would practically be a crime if he got sent home to Cuba because it is such a hateful and uncering country!!
Tuesday March 7th 2000 04:23:54
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Name: Robert Giczey
E-mail address: lopez@lance.net
Comments: Emily. Who do you propose take care of Elian in this newfound free land? The drunk Great-Uncle Lazaro who lost his licence?, the felon cousins Jose & Luis Cid? or the 21 year old, mentally ill Marisleysis who was recently hospitalized? Maybe the CANF membership could rotate custody. One week the Mas Santos family could take care of him the next week he could stay with Lupe Diaz. Truthfully the Miami family shouldn't be allowed to adopt a dog from a pound - let alone have Elian.
Tuesday March 7th 2000 09:04:01
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Name: Miguel
E-mail address: me2cold4you@hotmail.com
Comments: Every Cuban American I know has gone to college. Every Cuban American I know has health care. Every Cuban American I know is not living a life of crime. Know every race in every country has individuals who choose a life of crime and choose to not get Educated. Even in Canada, I know because I saw drugs and Punk Rockers all over Victoria Canada. They have strict gun laws but a knife would do the same thing. When we resort to name calling and bashing we show a sign ignorance. Lets post the facts people. By the way that 22 year old women went to the hospital for an anxiety attack due to stress. Something that happens to Executives and Lawyers. This women is sacrificing her early adult years for Elian. This to me speaks volumes. You asked me to give you facts and I did. All you do is give unfounded opinions. I want to see where CANF and Mas Canosa are involved in this Elian case. You keep saying this, but every news article I have read and every web-site I have seen does not mention this group. I want to give you another book to read, READ: CASTROS FINAL HOUR, by ANDRES OPPENHEIMER the co-owner of a Pulitzer prize. Hey, he is not CUBAN! As I said before DUI (Driving under the influence) is a common crime. I am a police officer and DUI's plus Domestic Disputes happen every day. You could be a responsible adult and go to a restaurant drink two beers and get busted. You fail to mention this happened years ago. If this was an issue for bad parenting there would be a lot of parents without kids. Who cares about the cousins records, they are not filing for the kid. By the way who has seen these so called records? FACTS PEOPLE!!! My grandmother never did any fondling of my parts. As for Elian as aired on TV in the grandmothers words he was molested. That’s a fact. Keep writing those opinions. Why? because you can't go to jail or get shot.
Tuesday March 7th 2000 11:37:24
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Name: Lupe
E-mail address: Lupe@aol.com
Comments: ?THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. It’s such an honor for me to have Castro’s prostitutes mention my name in a derogatory way. I would have something to worry about if they would defend me or agree with me. But, it is an even higher honor, to have my name in the same sentence with MAS SANTOS’! A man of conscience! Nothing like your kind!
Tuesday March 7th 2000 11:51:57
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Name: Lupe
E-mail address: Lupe@aol.com
Comments: ?I have visited that Dervaes page, and its plain to see it is communist. They do delete everything they don’t agree with. Sometimes, when people complain, they let one of the not too exposing anti-Castro posts slip by. I do have some Castro’s Cuban history, which is well documented and covers decades of the murderous regime, to give them something to think about and keep them awake at night. Here goes. TO ALL CASTRO’S EMPLOYEES, IN AND OUT OF THE ISLAND: Commander Camilo Cienfuegos, Castro’s right hand from the beginning; General Jose Abrahantes, Interior Minister; General Arnaldo Ochoa Sanchez, received the highest honor conferred to a military man in Castro’s Cuba, close friend of Castro and one of the few people who dared address Castro as “TU.” Colonel Antonio “Tony” de la Guardia, was always around Castro together with his twin brother, “Patricio” since their teen years. Tony was as comfortable around Castro as if it was his own family member. Tony would stand up in the middle of an important meeting with several people and Castro and excuse himself and leave the meeting. Only a handful of men could take such liberties in Cuba. These are just a couple of examples. I am sure that the people that presently do Castro’s dirty work outside the island of Cuba (like FAGET and EMPERATORI “we can call him now SPYRATORI”) are lower that low in the importance ladder of Cuba’s government. Nothing even remotely close to the ones I have mentioned before. Fellows, you all know what happened to all of them, Castro had them either disappear from the face of the earth, invented some kind of accident and then made stupid excuses to the Cuban population. Or accused them of some theatrical orchestrated lie to cover himself and had them face a firing squad. He uses idiots, to do his deeds, he always has and he always will, and when they have no additional value to him or his regime whatsoever, he discards them as easily as a piece of already chewed gum. Way deep in you subconscious, you all know that your future holds! Well at least the rest of the Cubans have something to look forward to, someday, they might be walking on the streets of Miami or any other major world city and maybe their shoes step on the stinky remains of all of you.
Tuesday March 7th 2000 11:57:34
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Name: Keith
E-mail address: kvalenza@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://elian.8k.com
Comments: Once again in Mr. Giczey's recent diatribe, he continues to prove my point that his only purpose for posting here is to win an argument. The day Mr. Giczey ever says one word of criticism of Castro will be the day I eat my hat. He says he does not work for Castro. If he ISN'T working for Castro or the Cuban government, he certainly ought to be. He echoes the Castro/Cuban propaganda to a tee. He cares not that Elian's Miami family has surrounded him with nothing but love, and that Elian's cousin would die for him. And she has been so immersed in fear that Elian will have to return to slavery...anyone with that kind of love could suffer an anxiety attack. As for the rest of you who disagree with him...your posts are starting to rant a bit as a reaction to his rantings. Please try to stay on the topic. Gicsey knows what the truth is, but he will never publicly acknowledge it. He loves the attention we give him. We should instead concentrate our efforts on (1) continuing to give love and support to the Gonzalez family and (2)showing the truth to those sincere individuals who do NOT know what is really going on, but who are open to the possibility that more is going on than meets the eye. Don't waste your time on someone who knows the truth but only wants to argue. Remember, the more Giczey posts here, the worse he will look. Anyone who defends fondling has sincere problem...sexual assualt is a heinous crime and he knows it. By the way, I wonder when Giczey's son turns six, if he would object to allowing his son' grandmother to unzip his son's pants and examine his genitals. I certainly hope that kind of crime isn't legal in Canada.
Wednesday March 8th 2000 12:34:57
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Name: PeterH?
E-mail address: Me2Cuban@aol.com
Comments: ?Do any of you know who Orestes Lorenzo is? Let me tell you. This man was a pilot in Cuba that felt the same lack of freedom for his children and wife that many others in the island feel. Lorenzo one day decided to defect. He took off from Cuba, on a government plane, by himself, leaving his wife and children behind. After penetrating the US and landing without being detected, he asked for political asylum. As the time passed, and not being able to get his wife and children released legally by Castro’s government, having his family, on a daily basis, errorized by the “Repudiation Block Office” (one exists in every block, their sole job is to tell on the neighbors, perform acts of repudiation to the point of inflicting bodily harm, all of that for an extra portion of food or rum.) Lorenzo’s first step was to publicize, in one of the Spanish radio stations in Miami, that has a very large anti- Castro audience in the island, his wife’s address. You might think this is a crazy move, I did! But no, the idea was to protect his family, the Cuban government and all their goons already knew where they lived, so by doing this, the rest of the country would also know. This way some of the decedents (anti-Castro’s groups in the island) could look after them and at least try to protect them. He hit the nail right on its head, many decent Cubans, not only kept a loving eye on them, but offered the family what little they could to eat, (after he defected, his family became traitors to the Cuban government, therefor cut off from receiving any food, medical assistance, children kicked out of school, etc.) So, Lorenzo, under the circumstances, decided he was going to return to Cuba and get his family to freedom himself. He was offered the use of a plane, he told his wife through coded messages and many different phone calls, where to wait for him, how to dress and how to act. The place was next to a flat area, where he knew he could land and take off in a split second without being detected. The wife and children, went there to have a family picnic! As soon as his plane touched, they ran and boarded, Lorenzo then took off again, back to the land of the Free. That is the best example of what a father should be! HEROIC! Elian’s step dad, was also free himself in the USA. He wasn’t a pilot, but he was a man of virtue. He worked at a car wash endless hours for months. Took the little money he had to buy, a not, too seaworthy boat. The idea behind it, to go back to hell, sacrificing his life to get his soon to be wife, and the son he cared for in Cuba and helped raised. The one that called him dad, the one he lived with, the one he would take to school every morning, the one that would move heaven and earth to find food to feed him, after his biological father left Elian’s mother when she was six months pregnant with Elian. His unselfish love act, didn’t have the same happy ending, but it is really sickening, to hear Castro’s puppets, trying to degrade his memory. Someone, on one of these lists said, “Cubans don’t have balls” I think he or she is completely wrong, but maybe that person has been in the back seat of several cars with several of them, and actually knows better than I do. But one thing they all do have, an unabiding family and mother land love, respect for their flag (we don’t burn our flag) and most of all a “VERY CLEAN CONSCIENCE.”
Wednesday March 8th 2000 02:33:04
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Name: Lupe
E-mail address: Lupe28@aol.com
Comments: TESTIMONY FROM CASTROS'S OWN DAUGHTER; AND VAN VAN, JUAN FORMELL'S SON! Direct and to the point. ?Published Thursday, March 2, 2000, in the Miami Herald testifying at the hearing was musician Juan-Carlos Formell, whose father is the leader of Los Van Van, the Cuban band that was awarded a Grammy last week for its most recent album. Formell left Cuba in 1993 and now lives in New York. ``What I would like you to know about Cuba is that the very air we breathe is polluted with the smell of fear; it is a fear so strong that it makes the soul cringe,'' Formell said. ``The issue here is whether [Elian] will be able to have the same right of personal autonomy that you take for granted here, or whether he will have to adapt his life to a dictatorship.'' Adding another layer to the controversy Wednesday was Alina Fernandez, the daughter of Cuba's President (SHOULD SAY DICTATOR) Castro and Havana socialite Nati Revuelta. Fernandez left Cuba in 1993, using a disguise and a fake passport. Fernandez told the lawmakers that Americans who defend Juan Gonzalez's rights as a father don't understand life in Cuba and are playing right into Castro's hands. ``What surprises me the most about this entire case [is] . . . that a dictator from a totalitarian state without any respect for the rule of law, that does not safeguard or protect individual rights,receives the protection and respect of a law-abiding society like the United States,'' Fernandez said. ``In Cuba, the terms `paternal rights' or `freedom of expression' are meaningless.''
Wednesday March 8th 2000 02:46:14
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Name: PAUL VALDERAMA
E-mail address: VALDERAMA_NY@HOTMAIL.COM
Comments: ELIAN SHOULD STAY IN OUR COUNTRY AND ENJOY A LIFE OF FREEDOM .
Wednesday March 8th 2000 04:27:23
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Name: Ruth
E-mail address: crrun@hotmail.com
Comments: Elian deserves what America can give to him. Mr. Giczey, Goczey, or whatever, needs to find a better way to spend his time and energy and leave this website to individuals with sense and normalcy. Those who say "Elian needs his father,", or "needs his family" do not realize this is not what he would be returned to--not for very long, anyway, in Cuba. Here in America he also has family--and will continue to for the entirety of his childhood--people who he needs no less than his family in Cuba and people who love him no less than his family in Cuba. He is not with non-family strangers with ulterior motives. He is with people who are warm, loving, and family who have his best interests in their hearts, regardless of any comments to the contrary. What American-born people do not realize is that our way of life--that which we are not only used to, but what we take for granted, is not available everywhere for all people. People need to stop and consider if they would like to be removed from a country in which they have liberty and freedoms and be placed where these are only longed-for ideals. I doubt they would want that. Why should Elian be taken from a nation in which he would have these rights. His relationship with his father need not discontinue because of Elian's residency in America. He should continue maintaining a relationship with his father throughout his life regardless of location, but not be returned to a nation in which he would lose his freedoms, and eventually, his father.
Wednesday March 8th 2000 04:41:00
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Name: Keith
E-mail address: kvalenza@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://elian.8k.com
Comments: Well-said, Ruth! As an announcement...you can view archives of the guestbook starting with January's entries by going to the main site at elian.8k.com. As for Mr. Giczey and his beloved Canada, even his own country didn't want that Cuban diplomat to stay! Then there is Castro's own daughter who defected to the United States and has lambasted her father continuously since then. Yet Giczey continues to defend Castro and Cuba, saying that Elian should remain with his father because that is the FATHER's wishes (yet he is always surrounded by goons and has not even been allowed to leave the country to retrieve his son). Well, it takes all kinds in this world. Fortunately, Castro's one-man show won't be around forever.
Wednesday March 8th 2000 01:39:47
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Name: Robert Giczey
E-mail address: lopez@lance.net
Comments: MIGUEL, 1)How long do anxiety attacks last? My understanding is that she will be out for weeks, if not months. 2)I find it interesting that as a police officer you downplay MULTIPLE DUI's. It could happen to anyone, but it takes a talent to get caught over, and over, and over. Try going to an adoption agencyand tell them that you hade multiple DUI's, that you have no licence, and the boy that you want to adopt will sleep in the same room as your 22 year old daughter. See if they even give you an application.3) In the first day of Elian's arrival he was wearing a shirt with a CANF logo on it and there were photo opt's with Jorge Mas Santos and Elian. LUPE,Are you a Florida taxpayer? Are you also honored to know that Mas Santos is under investigation after his construction company received $$MILLIONS$$ in taxpayers money for paving phantom roads. They are still looking for the work he supposedly did. RUTH, Do you have any children? Do you often defer your rights to speak on their behalf regarding their residence to 'third parties'? Do you know better where Elian should live than his father? Does Juan also send you coded messeges hinting where he REALLY wants Elian to reside? KEITH, Please refer to a time when I defended Castro as you proclaim. You also quote me saying "dirty Miami Cubans" although you fail quote the whole sentence and context. In other words stop putting words in my mouth. Your subtle accusations of racism is unfounded. (mi esposa es un latina de centro america. No soy un racista. Amigo)
Wednesday March 8th 2000 06:05:19
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Name: Robert Giczey
E-mail address: lopez@lance.net
Comments: The last paragraph at this link details the convictions of Elian's cousins and the fact that the visited the household.
Wednesday March 8th 2000 06:35:42
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Name: Robert Giczey
E-mail address: lopez@lance.net
Comments: If someone would show my how to provide html links I'd give you guys the evidence you're asking me for
Wednesday March 8th 2000 07:36:21
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Name: Keith
E-mail address: kvalenza@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://elian.8k.com
Comments: I know I am not practicing what I preach when I say to ignore Mr. Giczey then I respond to his posts, but I HAVE to say this in response. My position remains: (1) Mr. Giczey defends the molesting by Elian’s grandma. (2) He keeps asking for evidence, yet personal testimonials, which are among the best evidence out there, he continues to ignore. (3) He has never uttered one word of criticism of Fidel Castro; (4) He keeps saying he KNOWS what the father’s wishes are, but he has never denied that the father is constantlyh surrounded by Castro’s goons and is under virtual house arrest. (5) Regardless of the context he uses, he still used the words “Dirty Miami Cubans.” In or out of context, it is a “dirty” racist remark and he originated it. (6) He continues to nitpick for one purpose…to win an argument, and not to learn the truth. So I leave it to the readers. Do you want this debate to continue? Or do you want it to stop? Do not post your answer here. Send me an email, and I will make a decision as to whether or not we want to continue to read Mr. Giczey’s hateful posts…or whether we should politely ask him to post in another forum where his viewpoints are welcome and agreed with. Only trouble is, if he posted there, he wouldn’t have anyone to argue with. I welcome your feedback. Remember, this guestbook was originally designed to show SUPPORT for the Miami Gonzalez family. I allowed the debate because I believe in freedom of speech. But having Mr. Giczey dominate the discussions here is starting to get old. What do you think?
Wednesday March 8th 2000 08:48:27

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Name: Robert Giczey
E-mail address: lopez@lance.net
Comments: That's ok Keith. No need for a concensus. I've said all I wanted to say. Enjoy your messege board.
Wednesday March 8th 2000 10:42:28

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